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∂09-Oct-86 0616 jjohnson@mitre.ARPA ANSI X3J13 committee
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From: jjohnson@mitre.ARPA (Jerry Johnson)
Full-Name: Jerry Johnson
Message-Id: <8610091314.AA20136@mitre.ARPA>
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C.
To: common-lisp-request@su-ai.ARPA, mathis@b.isi.edu, rpg@sail.stanford.edu,
x3j13@sail.stanford.edu
Subject: ANSI X3J13 committee
Cc: jjohnson@mitre.ARPA
Greetings to all recipients of this message. I would appreciate your including
me on any correspondence concerning the standardization of Common Lisp within
ANSI and any other countries contributions to this ISO effort since I
am MITRE's representative on the X3J13 committee.
Sincerely,
Jerry Johnson
MITRE Corporation
AI Center
Mail Stop W418
1820 Dolley Madison Blvd
McLean, VA 22102
703-883-7173
∂09-Oct-86 1136 RPG Greetings
To: x3j13@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU
I am sending this message to reassure you that the X3J13
mailing list exists. The net address is:
x3j13@sail.stanford.edu
and the request address is
x3j13-request@sail.stanford.edu
-rpg-
∂10-Oct-86 1547 @REAGAN.AI.MIT.EDU:Hewitt@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU Meeting conflict
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From: Carl Hewitt <Hewitt@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject: Meeting conflict
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Folks,
I will be able to attend the next meeting on December 10 and 11 but not Dec.
12 because I have two scheduling conflicts on the 12th (it's my birthday and I
have to be present at another conflicting meeting on Friday the 12th).
--Carl
∂27-Oct-86 0653 MATHIS@ADA20.ISI.EDU X3J13 Meeting Dallas Dec 10-12
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The second meeting of X3J13 will be held from 1pm, Wednesday,
December 10, 1986, until noon, Friday, December 12, 1986, at the
Sheraton Park Central in Dallas, Texas. Arrangements have been
made by Ellen Waldrum of Texas Instruments.
Many aspects of these early meetings are attempts to determine
the best things for this committee. There was some feeling that
this three day format was better than a two day format from both
travel and work perspectives. Having the meeting in a hotel makes
somethings easier, but it also makes the meal service more
expensive. TI graciously offered to help offset some of these
costs, but I thought that was the wrong precedent to be setting.
At the first meeting, it seemed that most people brought lunches
back to the meeting room so they could keep discussing various
issues; that is why we arranged a lunch for Thursday. At every
other TI sponsored meeting I have ever attended (once before)
there was an informal dinner (everyone ordering from the menu and
paying their own) at the Trail Dust (which is good and very
informal). We could make these arrangements for Wednesday night.
All of these food arrangements are optional.
Other aspects of the meeting (agenda, discussion papers, etc.)
will be covered in subsequent messages. -- Bob Mathis
The following is from Ellen Waldrum:
X3J13 December Meeting Registration Form; mail to:
Beverly Williams
Texas Instruments
P.O. Box 655474
MS 3651
Dallas, Texas 75265
A block of rooms is available at the Sheraton Park Central. The
rate will be $60 a night (plus tax). Please check the
appropriate dates and supply a credit card number if you wish to
have the room guaranteed. Coffee, juice, breakfast rolls, and
fruit will be available for the morning sessions and coffee and
soft drinks will be available for the afternoon sessions. Lunch
has been arranged for the Dec. 11 meeting. The cost per person
for this food service is $25. Please include a check for this
amount with the registration form if you wish to partake. Delta
Airlines has agreed to give participants a 40% discount.
Unfortunately, the reference number needed for reservations is
not available yet. It will be posted to the X3J13 mailing list
as soon as it is known. There has been some interest expressed
in having a group dinner at the Trail Dust the evening of Dec.
10 with an extra cost. If enough people want to participate,
reservations will be made. If you are interested, please note
this in the appropriate space below. If you have questions about
room or airline reservations, please call Beverly at
214-997-2108. Questions of a more general nature about the
arrangements should be directed to Ellen Waldrum at 214-995-6716
or net mail address Waldrum%TI-CSL@CSNET-RELAY.
Name:
------------------------------------------------------
Institution:
----------------------------------------------
Street Address:
--------------------------------------------
City: State: Phone:
----------------- ---- ----------------
Reservations: Dec. 9: Dec. 10: Dec. 11:
----- ----- -----
Credit Card: AE MC Visa Number:
--- --- --- ---------------------
Food Service: Yes No
--- ---
(Please make check payable to Texas Instruments)
Dinner at Trail Dust: Yes No
---- ----
The room rate is only guaranteed for reservations made before
November 17 so please mail this form as soon as possible.
∂05-Nov-86 0723 MATHIS@ADA20.ISI.EDU x3j13 second mailing
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I just sent out in US mail the second x3j13 mailing. In it I
said you should also have seen it on this electronic address.
Due to a computer problem (which you don't want to hearabout) I
am unable to send you the total information electronically; I am
however still able to communicate somewhat on the net.
If you have anything you want sent out before the next meeting I
should have it by November 14. In this case hardcopy that I
could photocopy would be helpful.
Remember to send in your hotel reservations for the Dallas
meeting.
-- Bob
∂14-Nov-86 1137 ELLEN%Puff%ti-csl.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET Delta reference number
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Date: 12-Nov-86 15:59:39
From: ELLEN%Puff%ti-csl.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET
Message-Id: <ELLEN.2741205578@Puff>
I had just sent the previous message when my phone rang.
Of course it was Beverly calling with the number I had
just told you was not available yet. To take advantage
of the Delta Airlines discount, you must make your
reservations through the Delta convention desk. The
phone number is 800-241-6760 and the reference file
number is B0238. We are listed with them as the
Computer Science Show. This discount is only good for
reservations made at least seven days in advance and
there are no penalties for cancellation. If you have
any questions or problems, please call Beverly or me
or send mail (Waldrum%ti-csl@csnet-relay).
-- Ellen
∂14-Nov-86 1136 ELLEN%Puff%ti-csl.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET December Meeting
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Date: 12-Nov-86 15:43:45
From: ELLEN%Puff%ti-csl.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET
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If you are not able to mail your form in time to meet the
November 17 deadline and wish to make a reservation, you
should call Beverly Johnson at 214-997-2108 and give her
the pertinent information. If you do call Beverly, please
send the form anyway as verification.
The Delta airlines reference number is still not available.
All of the paperwork is done but Delta has not provided this
bit of pertinent information yet. It will be posted as soon
as we get it and Beverly will be calling those of you who have
already inquired.
-- Ellen
∂25-Nov-86 1302 ELLEN%Puff%ti-csl.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET Reservation confirmation
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Subject: Reservation confirmation
Date: 25-Nov-86 13:28:28
From: ELLEN%Puff%ti-csl.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET
Message-Id: <ELLEN.2742319706@Puff>
I have received reservation forms from the following
people:
Beckerle, Michael Hadden, George
Boelk, Mary Haflich, Steve
Brown, Gary Hewitt, Carl
Cugini, John Kiczales, Gregor
Daniels, Andrew Loeffler, David
Dussud, Patrick Margolin, Barry
Dabrowski, Christopher Perdue, Crispin
Ennis, Susan Rand, Douglas
Fahlman, Scott Rosenking, Jeffrey
Foderaro, John Wegman, Mark
Gabriel, Richard Wieland, Alexis
The following people have made reservations by phone
but the form has not yet arrived:
Beman, Richard Moon, David
Clinger, Will Vandeusen, Mary
Goldstein, Brad Weinreb, Dan
Masinter, Larry White, Jon
If your name is not in one of these lists and you
think it should be, please let me know ASAP.
Thanks,
Ellen
Waldrum%ti-csl@csnet-relay
214-995-6716
P.S. I will have receipts for the checks available
at the meeting.
∂27-Nov-86 1355 ELLEN%Puff%ti-csl.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET Additional reservations
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Subject: Additional reservations
Date: 26-Nov-86 15:36:49
From: ELLEN%Puff%ti-csl.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET
Message-Id: <ELLEN.2742413804@Puff>
When I send the original list of reservations, a
few names were inadvertently omitted. The following
people have also made phone reservations, but the
paperwork has not yet arrived:
Antonisse, James
Bobrow, Danny
Chaihalloux, Jerome
Giansiracusa, Bob
Mathis, Bob
Ohlander, Ron
Pitman, Kent
Steele, Guy
I have received a reservation form from Mary Van Deusen.
-- Ellen
∂05-Dec-86 1733 MATHIS@ADA20.ISI.EDU meeting in Dallas
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I have just sent out some last minute documents. I hope that you
have all made your arrangements. Two messages follow: first is
cover letter on that mailing; second is draft agenda outline. If
you have any questions or comments, please be in touch. -- Bob
∂05-Dec-86 1734 MATHIS@ADA20.ISI.EDU Dallas meeting draft agenda outline
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agenda header -- 1
1 Call to Order, December 10, 1:00pm
2 Opening Remarks and Introductions
3 Approval of Agenda
4 Approval of Minutes of Sept 23-24 Meeting (Doc: 86-???)
5 Report on International Activities (Doc: 86-017)
6 Other Liaison Reports
7 Review of Goals and Objectives (Doc: 86-005)
8 Brief Overview of Technical Topics on Agenda
9 Recess, 5:00pm
agenda header -- 2
10 Call to Order, December 11, 9:00am
11 Function/Value Cells (Doc: 86-010)
12 Relationship of Common Lisp and Scheme
13 European approach to defining via levels
14 LUNCH Second Day, 12:00-1:00pm
15 Error Systems (Doc: 86-011, 86-012, 86-013, 86-014)
16 Update on object system discussions (Doc: 86-018)
17 Handling technical discussions
18 Recess, 5:00pm
agenda header -- 3
19 Call to Order, December 12, 9:00am
20 Summary of Technical Issues and Discussions
21 Planning Relative to Other Technical Issues
22 Call for Officer Candidates
23 Future Meeting Schedule (Doc: SD-04)
24 Review of Action Item Assignments
25 Adjournment, 12:00noon
∂05-Dec-86 1733 MATHIS@ADA20.ISI.EDU third mailing cover letter
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Doc. No.: X3J13/86-015
Date: December 1, 1986
Project: X3J13 Common Lisp
Reply to:
Robert F. Mathis
9712 Ceralene Dr.
Fairfax, VA 22032
Ph: (703)425-5923
Mathis
X3J13 Members, alternates, observers, and potential participants:
This is a last minute reminder of the next meeting in Dallas on
December 10-12, 1986. If you have yet to make your reservations,
call Beverly at TI at (214)997-2108 or for general information,
Ellen Waldrum at (214)995-6716.
1. The minutes of first meeting have been delayed due to an
unforeseen sequence of unforeseeable circumstances which should
have been predictable. They are promised for the meeting in
Dallas.
2. Enclosed with this letter are the preliminary papers on
function cells and error systems.
3. At the ISO/TC97/SC22 Advisory Group meeting in Vienna, it was
decided to move ahead for a new work item on Lisp with a convenor
coming from France and a project editor coming from the United
States. This will be an item for discussion at the Dallas
meeting.
4. I had the opportunity to meet with Cathie Kachurik of the X3
Secretariat and Gary Robinson of DEC (who also happens to be
quite active in X3 and ISO/TC97) about the use of the Steele book
as a basis for the eventual standard. This issue was the basis
for some motions at the last meeting, which at the current time
are out of order. In our general discussions of goals and
objectives for the X3J13 committee, we need to discuss the actual
form we envision for the eventual standard and how closely it may
be related to the Steele book or to other manuals which have been
developed by other companies.
5. Remember that after this second meeting, we will have to
propose to X3 a set of officer candidates for X3J13. If anybody
wants to serve they should be prepared to make it known at this
meeting.
6. There will be a detailed proposed agenda at the start of the
meeting, but for your planning: Wednesday afternoon will include
brief overviews of the various topics on the agenda and an
extended discussion of goals and objectives for X3J13; Thursday
morning will begin with the function/value cell discussion;
Thursday afternoon will begin with the error system discussion;
and Friday morning will be devoted to finishing up remaining
topics.
Sincerely yours,
Robert F. Mathis
Acting Chairman, X3J13
Attachments:
X3J13/86-010 "Issues of Separation in Function Cells and Value
Cells" by Gabriel and Pitman with others
X3J13/86-011 "Exceptional Situations in Lisp" by Pitman
X3J13/86-012 "Error Proposal #8 as of 8/4/86" by Pitman
X3J13/86-013 "Error Proposal #8 implementation suggestion as
of 8/4/86" by Pitman
X3J13/86-014 "Error Proposal Feedback up to 11/19/86"
∂05-Dec-86 1825 FAHLMAN@C.CS.CMU.EDU Logisitcs for Dallas meeting
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From: "Scott E. Fahlman" <Fahlman@C.CS.CMU.EDU>
To: x3j13@SU-AI.ARPA
Subject: Logisitcs for Dallas meeting
I have a couple of questions about local arrangements for the Dallas
meeting. Could someone from TI send the following info to this mailing
list. (My apologies if this info was in some earlier mailing -- I can't
seem to find it if so. Maybe it was on the reservation form, which I
mailed in and didn't copy.)
1. Mailing address and phone number of the Sheraton Park Central.
2. How to get there from DFW airport. Approximate price and time
required for a taxi. Is there any cheaper way to make the trip, such as
a hotel limo? A lot of us will probably be arriving 10 - noon on
Wednesday, and will be heading back to the airport after adjornment on
Friday.
Thanks,
Scott
∂08-Dec-86 0902 jjohnson@mitre.ARPA Re: meeting in Dallas
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From: jjohnson@mitre.ARPA (Jerry Johnson)
Full-Name: Jerry Johnson
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Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C.
To: MATHIS@ADA20.ISI.EDU, x3j13@SU-AI.ARPA
Subject: Re: meeting in Dallas
Bob
My new mailing address is
Jerry Johnson
MITRE Corp
Mail Stop W418
1820 Dolley Madison Blvd
McLean VA 22102
Jerry
∂10-Dec-86 0358 ELLEN%Puff%ti-csl.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET Logistics for Dallas Meeting
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Date: 8-Dec-86 16:50:13
From: ELLEN%Puff%ti-csl.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET
Message-Id: <ELLEN.2743455011@Puff>
Thanks for the suggestion, Scott.
The mailing address of the hotel is
Sheraton Park Central
12720 Merit Drive
Dallas, Texas 75251
and the phone number is 214-385-3000.
Taxi fare from DFW to the hotel should be
approximately $20. There is also a shuttle
service called The Link that charges $9.
The approximate travel time is 30 minutes.
-- Ellen
∂12-Dec-86 1900 MATHIS@ADA20.ISI.EDU Dallas meeting
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Thanks to everyone. I think we had a very productive meeting.
We have a lot of work to do in preparation for the March 16-18,
1987, meeting in Palo Alto. Let's keep the communication going.
Watch this space and help fill it. -- Bob Mathis
∂15-Dec-86 1630 RPG Contents of the X3J13 mailing list
To: x3j13@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU
Here they are:
rpg
#msg.msg[jnk,jmc]
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coffee@AEROSPACE.ARPA
cugini@ICST-ECF
dabrowski@ICST-ECF
"J.Dalton%uk.ac.edinburgh"@CS.UCL.AC.UK
ffitch@RAND-UNIX
padget@RAND-UNIX
NGALL@BBNG.ARPA
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"uwmcsd1!marque!gregj"@RSCH.WISC.EDU
"fkunze%franz.uucp"@UCBVAX.Berkeley.EDU
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dougr@MIT-EDDIE.ARPA
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gls@ZARATHUSTRA.THINK.COM
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antonisse@MITRE.ARPA
jjohnson@MITRE.ARPA
Wieland@MITRE.ARPA
Yonke@USC-ECL.ARPA
Ohlander@ISI.EDU
balzer@A.ISI.EDU
Mathis@A.ISI.EDU
berman@VAXA.ISI.EDU
masinter.pa@Xerox.COM
Adler.pa@XEROX.COM
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pavel.pa@XEROX.COM
daniels.pa@XEROX.COM
gregor.pa@XEROX.COM
Ricci.pa@XEROX.COM
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vittal.pasa@XEROX.COM
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sgadol@Sun.COM
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"quintus!gehrig!bak"@Sun.COM
Moon@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA
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"DCM%HPFCLP"@HPLABS.HP.COM
chapin@hplabs.hp.com
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∂19-Dec-86 0608 MATHIS@ADA20.ISI.EDU minutes of Dallas meeting
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Gary Brown has already sent me the draft minutes of the Dallas
meeting. They seem very good, but he and I are still double
checking each other. If you want to see the preliminary version,
I will forward it to you; if you would rather wait, they will
come in about ten days. -- Bob Mathis
∂19-Dec-86 0608 MATHIS@ADA20.ISI.EDU proposed purposes
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sigh, sigh! Guy got this done, but to me on a day I was off the
net. He has inserted some sight additions. We should discuss
this on the net so that we can make a clean copy with clearly
specified alternate wordings so that we could vote on it point by
point at the next meeting. In Dallas I got the feeling that if
we had a clean text, it would probably be passed unanimously.
This is the chance for all of you (particularly those who could
not be in Dallas) to participate in the discussion. -- Bob
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Sigh. I mailed this Friday evening, but to the wrong address.
--Guy
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Purposes of X3J13 Committee (Proposed)
1. X3J13 is chartered to produce an American National
Standard for Common Lisp. It will codify existing practice,
provide extensions to facilitate portability of code among
diverse implementations, and establish normative Common Lisp
programming practice.
2. The committee will begin with the language described in
{\it Common Lisp: The Language} by Guy L. Steele Jr. (Digital
Press, 1984), which is the current {\it de facto} standard for
Common Lisp. Whenever there is a proposal for the standard to
differ from {\it Common Lisp: The Language}, the committee
shall weigh both future costs of adopting (or not adopting) a
change and costs of conversion of existing code. Aesthetic
criteria shall be a subordinate consideration.
3. The committee will address at least the following topics
in the course of producing the standard, in each case either
incorporating specific features or explaining why no action
was taken:
(a) Repairing mistakes, ambiguities, and minor ommissions
in {\it Common Lisp: The Language}
(b) Error handling and condition signalling
(c) Semantics of compilation
(d) Object-oriented programming
(e) Iteration constructs
(f) Multiprocessing
(g) Graphics
(h) Windows
(i) Validation
(j) One versus two namespaces for functions and variables
Topics (a)-(c) concern deficiencies in {\it Common Lisp: The
Language} that require resolution. Topics (d) and (e) are not
addressed by {\it Common Lisp: The Language} but appear to be
well-understood and ready for standardization. Topics (f)-(i)
concern areas where standardization is desirable but not
crucial to production of a standard. Topic (j) is an area of
current controversy within the Lisp community. Other topics
may be considered if specific proposals are received.
4. The committee recognizes that Lisp programming practice
will continue to evolve and anticipates the need for future
revisions and extensions to the standard. This may include a
family of Lisps and/or a layered Lisp model.
5. X3J13 is committed to work with ISO toward an international
Lisp standard.
[Possible amendment: change the word "extensions" in the first
paragraph to "additional features".]
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∂19-Dec-86 0727 FAHLMAN@C.CS.CMU.EDU proposed purposes
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Looks excellent to me.
The proposed ammendment (extensions -> additional features), seems like
a useful clarification.
-- Scott
∂19-Dec-86 0831 Bobrow.pa@Xerox.COM Re: proposed purposes
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I like this very much -- with the suggested change:
extensions --> additional features
It captures both the need for resolving the current set of issues
relatively quicly for the current community, and also possible futures
that could involve more work, but provide great benefit.
danny
∂19-Dec-86 0936 ohlander@venera.isi.edu Re: proposed purposes
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Looks good. I vote for the document with the change of "additional
features" to "extensions".
Ron
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Looks good. I vote for the document with the change of "extensions"
to "additional features."
Ron
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[Guy Steele <gls@Think.COM>: [gls@Think.COM: X3J13 charter ...]
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Me Like. Ugh.
RB.
∂19-Dec-86 1323 DLW@ALDERAAN.SCRC.Symbolics.COM proposed purposes
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This looks fine. The spelling of "ommissions" should omit one of the
m's. I agree that "extensions" should be changed to "additional
features".
∂19-Dec-86 2017 Moon@RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM proposed purposes
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I think this is an excellent charter for X3J13. I approve of the
wording and especially of the attitude about what is important and the
choice to finish Common Lisp rather than embarking on a new experiment.
One comment on "establish normative Common Lisp programming practice":
I doubt it's actually possible to get such a large group of Lisp programmers
to agree in any meaningful way on issues of programming style. If this
goal is achieved, it will be a monumental accomplishment. My preference
would be to leave it to the professors and the authors of textbooks, but
I have no real objection. After all, some of the lettered items will be
fairly difficult to bring to closure too.
∂22-Dec-86 1849 hpfclp!dcm@hplabs.HP.COM Charter statement
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This may have already appeared from another source, I'm not sure since there
seems to be some problem with my mail address. Here is the text of Guy's
statement of purpose with some comments from the discussions. Words or
clauses that were topics of discussion are enclosed in []s. Additional notes
are indented after each item.
Dave Matthews
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Revise draft 86-005
Purposes of X3J13 Committee (proposed)
1. X3J13 is chartered to produce an American National Standard for Common Lisp.
It will codify existing practice, provide [extensions] [necessary] to
[facilitate] portability of code among diverse implementations and [establish]
normative [Common] Lisp programming practice.
change establish to stabilize?
extensions is a loaded word, are they required or not, maybe features is
a better word?
should a stronger term than facilitate be used
are we really establishing a programming practice, including style, etc
2. The committee will begin with the language described in Common Lisp: the
Language by Guy L. Steele Jr., which is the current de facto standard for
Common Lisp. Whenever there is a proposal for the standard to differ from CLTL
the committee shall weigh both future costs of adopting (or not adopting) a
[feature] and costs of conversion of existing code. [Aesthetic criteria shall
be a subordinate consideration.]
feature might be better said as change
should the clause about aesthetics exist at all
3. The committee will address at least the following topics in the course of
producing the standard, in each case either incorporating specific features or
explaining why no action was taken:
a) repairing [errors/mistakes], ambiguities and minor omissions in CLTL
b) error handling/condition signalling
c) semantics of compilation
d) object-oriented programming
e) iteration [the LOOP] constructs
f) multiprocessing
g) graphics
h) windows
i) one or two name spaces for functions or values
j) validation
Topics (a)-(c) concern deficiencies in CLTL that require resolution. Topics
(d) and (e) are not addressed by CLTL but appear to be well-understood and
ready for standardization. Topics (f)-(h) concern areas where standardization
is desirable but not crucial to production of a standard. Topic (i) is an
area of current controversy in the LISP community.
Topic (j) is not currently clarified.
4. The committee recognizes that Lisp programming practice will continue to
evolve, and anticipates the need for future revisions and extensions to the
standard. This may include a family of Lisps and/or a layered Lisp model.
5. X3J13 is committed to work with ISO toward an international Lisp standard.
separated from item 4.